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Would you marry a couple where only one was a Christian?
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/9/2009 6:08:48 PM
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Divorce is also against God's will, does that stop Christians divorcing? Sin is against God's will... Good point, and No, it doesn't stop ppl from getting a divorce...However, I personally do not advocate divorce to someone as an answer to their marital problems. Separation can resolve things as much as a divorce can. My prior statements were based on the Scripture that says do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers...and also on the Script. what fellowship does light have with darkness....A house divided against itself cannot stand.....and to me that is saying a marriage could never work because someone is either for God or against Him and I already know I am for Him. Where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage?
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/9/2009 7:03:53 PM
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Divorce is also against God's will, does that stop Christians divorcing? Sin is against God's will... Good point, and No, it doesn't stop ppl from getting a divorce...However, I personally do not advocate divorce to someone as an answer to their marital problems. Separation can resolve things as much as a divorce can. My prior statements were based on the Scripture that says do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers...and also on the Script. what fellowship does light have with darkness....A house divided against itself cannot stand.....and to me that is saying a marriage could never work because someone is either for God or against Him and I already know I am for Him. Where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage? As you have pointed out that passage mentions being unequally yoked; (2Co 6:14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And being married is about as 'Yoked" as one can get; so I feel the verrse is most apropos to marriage. Thanks RC
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/9/2009 9:53:06 PM
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RC said it better than I could have. The thing is this Word applies not to just marriage but to our lives as a whole. Marriage isn't the only route we use to form partnerships, but it is for sure one of the most sacred ones. The thing is though if someone doesn't believe marriage is to be done God's way nothing said here is going to change their mind.
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 3:13:14 AM
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ORIGINAL: buckifn RC said it better than I could have. The thing is this Word applies not to just marriage but to our lives as a whole. Marriage isn't the only route we use to form partnerships, but it is for sure one of the most sacred ones. In which case we must also apply it to business arrangements, friendships, neighbours etc. In fact if we take it to its natural conclusion Christians should be completely isolated from non-Christians in every sphere of life, therefore unable to reach the lost with the good news! Apart from marriage, does that attitude reflect how Jesus went about His business whilst here on earth, me thinks not!!
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 3:17:52 AM
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ORIGINAL: Bro_Shane I'm with RC. I will not officiate a ceremony where either one or both are not believers. I have noticed that your opinion is respected on these boards. Where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage, in fact does the flow of the passage even suggest that he is talking about marriage? Is it not the case that he in fact deals with marriage comprehensively in 1 Cor 7?
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 5:22:21 AM
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Divorce is also against God's will, does that stop Christians divorcing? Sin is against God's will... Good point, and No, it doesn't stop ppl from getting a divorce...However, I personally do not advocate divorce to someone as an answer to their marital problems. Separation can resolve things as much as a divorce can. My prior statements were based on the Scripture that says do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers...and also on the Script. what fellowship does light have with darkness....A house divided against itself cannot stand.....and to me that is saying a marriage could never work because someone is either for God or against Him and I already know I am for Him. Where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage? As you have pointed out that passage mentions being unequally yoked; (2Co 6:14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And being married is about as 'Yoked" as one can get; so I feel the verrse is most apropos to marriage. Thanks RC You are a bible teacher RC, and as such will be used to looking at God's word in context, yes? So, where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage, in fact does the flow of the passage even suggest that he is talking about marriage? Is it not the case that he in fact deals with marriage comprehensively in 1 Cor 7? I await your response concerning the passage in question and not your opinion concerning the marriage of a Christian to a non-Christian!!
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 5:25:54 AM
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Tammy, I'm just curious to know why you think that this statement of Paul's, which seems very comprehensive, has nothing to do with marriage. If, as others have suggested, Paul was making an all-encompassing command that includes all our dealings with non-believers, doesn't it make sense that he would not necessarily include it with other teachings on marriage?
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 7:54:55 AM
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ORIGINAL: Eliana Tammy, I'm just curious to know why you think that this statement of Paul's, which seems very comprehensive, has nothing to do with marriage. If, as others have suggested, Paul was making an all-encompassing command that includes all our dealings with non-believers, doesn't it make sense that he would not necessarily include it with other teachings on marriage? Looking at the context of what Paul is saying, I would have to respond NO. Why are we happy to accept what he says in 2 Cor 6, but ignore what he says in 1 Cor 7? Then on top of all that there are the textual concerns regarding both 1 and 2 Cor, which suggests that there were other letters, which we do not have, and that actually 1 and 2 Cor don't really fit well together in various ways!!
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 7:56:52 AM
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ORIGINAL: Eliana Tammy, I'm just curious to know why you think that this statement of Paul's, which seems very comprehensive, has nothing to do with marriage. If, as others have suggested, Paul was making an all-encompassing command that includes all our dealings with non-believers, doesn't it make sense that he would not necessarily include it with other teachings on marriage? If it is an all-encompassing statement concerning unbelievers, as you suggest, how does that then translate to our lives in terms of work, living, socialising etc?
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 8:19:38 AM
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Merely living next to, being friendly with, or working with a non-believer is not yoking yourself to them. However, owning a business with or entering into other legal partnerships is and SHOULD not happen. Yoking in marriage is probably the strongest and the only one that in and of itself is a sin to dissolve that yoke in nearly all cases.
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 8:27:54 AM
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Divorce is also against God's will, does that stop Christians divorcing? Sin is against God's will... Good point, and No, it doesn't stop ppl from getting a divorce...However, I personally do not advocate divorce to someone as an answer to their marital problems. Separation can resolve things as much as a divorce can. My prior statements were based on the Scripture that says do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers...and also on the Script. what fellowship does light have with darkness....A house divided against itself cannot stand.....and to me that is saying a marriage could never work because someone is either for God or against Him and I already know I am for Him. Where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage? As you have pointed out that passage mentions being unequally yoked; (2Co 6:14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And being married is about as 'Yoked" as one can get; so I feel the verrse is most apropos to marriage. Thanks RC You are a bible teacher RC, and as such will be used to looking at God's word in context, yes? So, where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage, in fact does the flow of the passage even suggest that he is talking about marriage? Is it not the case that he in fact deals with marriage comprehensively in 1 Cor 7? I await your response concerning the passage in question and not your opinion concerning the marriage of a Christian to a non-Christian!! May I suggest that you read my post that you cut and pasted above. Thanks RC
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 9:01:47 AM
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Divorce is also against God's will, does that stop Christians divorcing? Sin is against God's will... Good point, and No, it doesn't stop ppl from getting a divorce...However, I personally do not advocate divorce to someone as an answer to their marital problems. Separation can resolve things as much as a divorce can. My prior statements were based on the Scripture that says do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers...and also on the Script. what fellowship does light have with darkness....A house divided against itself cannot stand.....and to me that is saying a marriage could never work because someone is either for God or against Him and I already know I am for Him. Where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage? As you have pointed out that passage mentions being unequally yoked; (2Co 6:14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And being married is about as 'Yoked" as one can get; so I feel the verrse is most apropos to marriage. Thanks RC You are a bible teacher RC, and as such will be used to looking at God's word in context, yes? So, where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage, in fact does the flow of the passage even suggest that he is talking about marriage? Is it not the case that he in fact deals with marriage comprehensively in 1 Cor 7? I await your response concerning the passage in question and not your opinion concerning the marriage of a Christian to a non-Christian!! May I suggest that you read my post that you cut and pasted above. Thanks RC I have, now could you answer my post properly?
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 9:03:54 AM
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ORIGINAL: zoebob Merely living next to, being friendly with, or working with a non-believer is not yoking yourself to them. However, owning a business with or entering into other legal partnerships is and SHOULD not happen. Yoking in marriage is probably the strongest and the only one that in and of itself is a sin to dissolve that yoke in nearly all cases. Could you tell me how 1 Cor 7 relates to 2 Cor 6, and why Paul goes to great length to address marriage in 1 Cor 7, but not once mentions the word 'marriage' in 2 Cor 6?
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 9:07:19 AM
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We definitely live in an age where it seems we can take license and liberty to say God said whatever we want Him to say. I try to teach everyone to study the Word and listen to what it is actually saying without whatever slant we bring to the table. You will "know" the truth, and the "truth" will set you free. But today's society, as it's the one I live in, uses so much circular thinking the truth is hidden from many. As has been said, marriage is one of the most yoking things a human can do. Paul would not condone a believer marrying an unbeliever. We put words in Paul's mouth in several venues. I have married two sets of unbelievers, but it was in a secular setting. I even played and sang country songs in a cowboy wedding. My policy now is that if anyone wants me to do the service, they will have to be a member of this congregation. Each pastor has to deal with his own agenda.
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 9:18:54 AM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth We definitely live in an age where it seems we can take license and liberty to say God said whatever we want Him to say. I try to teach everyone to study the Word and listen to what it is actually saying without whatever slant we bring to the table. You will "know" the truth, and the "truth" will set you free. But today's society, as it's the one I live in, uses so much circular thinking the truth is hidden from many. As has been said, marriage is one of the most yoking things a human can do. Paul would not condone a believer marrying an unbeliever. We put words in Paul's mouth in several venues. I have married two sets of unbelievers, but it was in a secular setting. I even played and sang country songs in a cowboy wedding. My policy now is that if anyone wants me to do the service, they will have to be a member of this congregation. Each pastor has to deal with his own agenda. Thank you, is there not also the danger of taking God's word out of context? In Malachi it says that God hates divorce, however if we read it in context we see that it is largely spiritual divorce that is being dealt with because Israel had gone after foreign gods, and to add insult to injury, they were divorcing their Jewish wives in order to marry foreign women! Maybe you would be willing to answer my question regarding 2 Cor 6 in relation to 1 Cor 7? Could you tell me how 1 Cor 7 relates to 2 Cor 6, and why Paul goes to great length to address marriage in 1 Cor 7, but not once mentions the word 'marriage' in 2 Cor 6?
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 9:49:51 AM
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Tammy, you are probably the only person on the forums that does not believe that being married is the untimate in being yoked. So that is my answer, if it does not suit you; then it does not suit you. Thanks RC
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 10:00:03 AM
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TartanTammy, if it doesn't apply to marriage and it doesn't apply to business relationships, what does "unequally yoked" apply to since Paul didn't actually specify anything particular in that passage? We could blow off that entire verse because whatever we want to do we can say, "Paul didn't mention the word (fill in the blank) in that verse, so he wasn't talking about that."
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 10:17:51 AM
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ORIGINAL: TheTartanTammy Could you tell me how 1 Cor 7 relates to 2 Cor 6, and why Paul goes to great length to address marriage in 1 Cor 7, but not once mentions the word 'marriage' in 2 Cor 6? I'll give it a shot. In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul teaches Christians who are already married to non-believing spouses to stay with them. This is because the marriage had been entered into prior to one spouse becoming a Christian, and breaking the marriage covenant would be wrong. In 2 Corinthians 6, Paul is addressing all forms of binding relationships with non-Christians. This would include business relationships, partnerships and -- the most binding of all -- marriage. I guess to most of us it seems obvious that if somebody is talking about close alliances, marriage would be right up there at the top. Such close personal or business relationships can lead to the Christian compromising their standards and can weaken their faith. Paul does not spell out the specific yoking relationships, which is a good thing, since these types of covenants vary across times and cultures. However, marriage cannot be ruled out even though it is not mentioned by name. So how do the two chapters fit together? This way: 1. Do not marry an unbeliever. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18) 2. If you are already married and become a Christian but your spouse is not yet saved, do not divorce them. (1 Corinthians 7:12-16)
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 10:21:23 AM
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ORIGINAL: buckifn RC said it better than I could have. The thing is this Word applies not to just marriage but to our lives as a whole. Marriage isn't the only route we use to form partnerships, but it is for sure one of the most sacred ones. In which case we must also apply it to business arrangements, friendships, neighbours etc. In fact if we take it to its natural conclusion Christians should be completely isolated from non-Christians in every sphere of life, therefore unable to reach the lost with the good news! Apart from marriage, does that attitude reflect how Jesus went about His business whilst here on earth, me thinks not!! So what do YOU think it means? Or doesn't it have a meaning? Perhaps it should be whited out of our Bibles.
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 10:43:43 AM
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ORIGINAL: Bro_Shane I'm with RC. I will not officiate a ceremony where either one or both are not believers. I have noticed that your opinion is respected on these boards. Where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage, in fact does the flow of the passage even suggest that he is talking about marriage? Is it not the case that he in fact deals with marriage comprehensively in 1 Cor 7? First, you are much too kind and in danger of giving me the big head In I Corinthians 7 Paul is dealing with marriage and how it relates to fellow believers. In I Corinthians 6 Paul speaks of fornication and why a believer should not engage in it with the natural flow into chapter seven with marriage among believers. He gives such admonitions as abstaining from marital relations for times of prayer, if a person becomes a believer and the unbelieving spouse leaves, how to behave towards unmarried virgins, and even whether marriage is for everyone. In II Corinthians 5 Paul speaks of being ambassadors for Christ. When we go into chapter six Paul is speaking on what a good ambassador should and should not do to preserve their witness and ministry. This is where the admonition about being unequally yoked comes into play. It does not deal only with marriage, but in all aspects of life. The word translated "unequally yoked" is heterozygeō, which is a compound of two roots meaning to be bound to one of a different nature. Since we have experienced the new birth our nature is different and we should only be bound to those that share the same nature. One must be careful to not be more restrictive than what the text actually states, and scripture also helps clarify this. Paul speaks on buying meat and not asking the use of the animal. The passgae is not meant to keep us from from dealings with the lost altogether, but entering into relationships wherein we become bound to them. Tis would not only include marriage but business partnerships and memberships in various secular organizations. We are allowed to interact with the world in order to witness and minister, but not to become a part of it so that our witness or ministry becomes of no effect, and so no reproach is brought against our Lord and His church.
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 1:20:34 PM
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ORIGINAL: Bro_Shane I'm with RC. I will not officiate a ceremony where either one or both are not believers. I have noticed that your opinion is respected on these boards. Where in 2 Cor 6 does Paul mention marriage, in fact does the flow of the passage even suggest that he is talking about marriage? Is it not the case that he in fact deals with marriage comprehensively in 1 Cor 7? First, you are much too kind and in danger of giving me the big head In I Corinthians 7 Paul is dealing with marriage and how it relates to fellow believers. In I Corinthians 6 Paul speaks of fornication and why a believer should not engage in it with the natural flow into chapter seven with marriage among believers. He gives such admonitions as abstaining from marital relations for times of prayer, if a person becomes a believer and the unbelieving spouse leaves, how to behave towards unmarried virgins, and even whether marriage is for everyone. In II Corinthians 5 Paul speaks of being ambassadors for Christ. When we go into chapter six Paul is speaking on what a good ambassador should and should not do to preserve their witness and ministry. This is where the admonition about being unequally yoked comes into play. It does not deal only with marriage, but in all aspects of life. The word translated "unequally yoked" is heterozygeô, which is a compound of two roots meaning to be bound to one of a different nature. Since we have experienced the new birth our nature is different and we should only be bound to those that share the same nature. One must be careful to not be more restrictive than what the text actually states, and scripture also helps clarify this. Paul speaks on buying meat and not asking the use of the animal. The passgae is not meant to keep us from from dealings with the lost altogether, but entering into relationships wherein we become bound to them. Tis would not only include marriage but business partnerships and memberships in various secular organizations. We are allowed to interact with the world in order to witness and minister, but not to become a part of it so that our witness or ministry becomes of no effect, and so no reproach is brought against our Lord and His church. Good response, I agree. However, as we know Christians do marry non-Christians, Christians do divorce, Christians don't always obey every aspect of God's will for their lives, Christians have been given free will...do any of these facts put them beyond God's grace? My simple approach to this matter, knowing the sad fact of sin in my own life, is to extend grace, trying not to judge, but after appropriate counselling from God's word to allow a Christian to take responsibility for his/her life. I would rather after all is said and done, that a Christian be married under God's word than go off to a secular non-Christian wedding celebrant, and in doing so possibly also go away from the Lord, and the Lord's people. I appreciate that in your culture that this may not be acceptable, however the subject matter here is a secondary issue, as is baptism and so many others!! How many Christian women for example do not wear a hat to church, despite God's word saying they should? How many born again believers have not been baptised, despite the Lord's command?
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 1:21:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: buckifn RC said it better than I could have. The thing is this Word applies not to just marriage but to our lives as a whole. Marriage isn't the only route we use to form partnerships, but it is for sure one of the most sacred ones. In which case we must also apply it to business arrangements, friendships, neighbours etc. In fact if we take it to its natural conclusion Christians should be completely isolated from non-Christians in every sphere of life, therefore unable to reach the lost with the good news! Apart from marriage, does that attitude reflect how Jesus went about His business whilst here on earth, me thinks not!! So what do YOU think it means? Or doesn't it have a meaning? Perhaps it should be whited out of our Bibles. Please see my response to bro_Shane, thanks.
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Please see my response to bro_Shane, thanks. I don't see an answer to my question there. What do you think "don't be yoked with unbelievers" means in our day and age?
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RE: Would you marry a couple where only one was a Chris... - 7/10/2009 2:34:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: TheTartanTammy Good response, I agree. However, as we know Christians do marry non-Christians, Christians do divorce, Christians don't always obey every aspect of God's will for their lives, Christians have been given free will...do any of these facts put them beyond God's grace? Thanks. I'm not sure what you mean about them being beyond God's grace. The truthfulness of the command does not change because of either the inability of some to keep it or the choice of those not to. quote:
My simple approach to this matter, knowing the sad fact of sin in my own life, is to extend grace, trying not to judge, but after appropriate counselling from God's word to allow a Christian to take responsibility for his/her life. It is one thing to show a brother or sister, in love, how their attitude/behavior does not fall in line with scripture. It is quite another to take an active role in helping them both break a biblical command and give the illusion that what they do is OK with God. It would also make little sense if we told them what they were doing (or going to do) did not please God, but went along with them after telling them so. And whether or not we have sin in our own life does not change the biblical mandate or our responsibility to it. What it should so is help up to understand that we suffer the same human frailties as everyone else. We should also be an example of how God'd strength helps us, in spite of those frailties, stand strong on the word. quote:
I would rather after all is said and done, that a Christian be married under God's word than go off to a secular non-Christian wedding celebrant, and in doing so possibly also go away from the Lord, and the Lord's people. But knowingly marrying an unbeliever is neither being married under or by God's word. To conduct such a ceremony is to aid in a sham. All the scripture in the world can be recited and it changes nothing - unless the unbeliever repents and is saved at their own wedding (which, BTW, would be awesome). quote:
I appreciate that in your culture that this may not be acceptable, however the subject matter here is a secondary issue, as is baptism and so many others!! How many Christian women for example do not wear a hat to church, despite God's word saying they should? How many born again believers have not been baptised, despite the Lord's command? But this has nothing to do with culture as did either wearing a head covering or women wearing wigs. There's nothing in the text that would show, lead, or hint that this specific instruction was to a certain group but the broader principle applies to all. And whether or not a person consents to Baptism or not has no bearing on the biblical command. It is a slippery and dangerous slope we face if we can stop living by biblical commands based on whether or not other people keep other unrelated biblical commands. Humans could ignore and rebel against every single thing in the Bible (which they do) and it still would not change the truthfulness and authority of the command. quote:
Sorry, if you first read bro-Shane's post and then my response to it you will see that I agree with his interpretation of the passage. However, I then go on to expand on the reality of how some Christians live today in relation to this and other matters which are equally biblical. Hope this gives you the answer you seek. And herein lies the problem. There is no equally biblical command in this area. We are told not to be yoked with unbelievers, period. The only exception given is when a person becomes a believer when a spouse does not. The reality of some Christians does not change anything. What you are saying is that God and the applicability of His word should change based on how we (the same fallen creation He came to save and redeem) decide to live our lives. If this is the case, then there is no absolute morality. If there is no absolute morality there is no God and we are all wasting our time. This is the only logical outcome, there is no other.
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